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The Call Blog: Police Investigate Triple Murder-Suicide in East Williamsburg

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It's impossible to predict random violence, as these incidents demonstrated, but at some point, there has to be measures that our police and community can take to help prevent at least some of them. It could be a more sophisticated gun background check process or mental health reforms, but there are ways to reduce the amount of gun crimes in the City. And it doesn't have to infringe on citizens' rights.



Elected officials are once again calling for an end to gun violence in New York City after two high-profile shootings in just as many days. Early this morning, police say a man with an assault rifle went on a shooting spree in a Williamsburg apartment, shooting four people, including three fatally, before turning the gun on himself. Officials say two of the victims were brothers that were members of an indie rock band and the gunman was part of another band. Police believe the dispute stemmed over money.

It comes as a Bronx teenager is awaiting arraignment on charges he shot two people at the Bryant Part ice skating rink on Saturday night. Investigators say the suspect opened fire after a man apparently refused to give him his coat.

According to police statistics, the City is on track to record the lowest number of murders this year since comparable records were kept. As of Sunday, November 10th, there were 287 murders, a 22 percent decrease from the same period last year, when there were 369. The Bloomberg administration has credited the NYPD’s Stop, Question and Frisk tactic for the low crime rate.

What’s your reaction to this weekend’s shootings? Are you surprised by where they took place? Do you see the lower crime rate reflected in your neighborhood? Which crime policies of Mayor Bloomberg would you like to see carried over into a Bill de Blasio administration?

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I don't know what to do about the Brooklyn shooting, but the prosecutors in the Bryant Park case should consider bringing terrorism charges, on top of any other relevant charges, against that shooter. I know that may seem like stretching the purpose of the statutes, but I believe in the modern world anyone who fires a gun off in a public crowd in this city should know that they're going to risk having the FULL weight of the government fall on them, including (perhaps) a one-way lifetime ticket to Guantanamo.

Bruce
Upper West Side



Obviously stop and frisk did not stop either of these incidents, especially the Brooklyn shooting. So what's the point of continuing with this flawed police action?

Joe
Port Richmond



These guns are all illegal and no one speaks of the drugs, weapons, etc. at all.
Plus Bloomberg is still tooting his own horn with the decline in shootings and
his man made glorified statistics.

It’s the same old story.
Until he leaves we will have kayos.
As far as how many policies will DeBlasio keep of Bloomberg's. In my opinion
he should have already had a plan in place even before he went on Holiday.
He came away from the Bloomberg meeting saying that he will keep the soda
law in place. To me he already made a tradeoff. Lord knows what the heck it
was. I do know that Bloomberg is insisting on building more high-rises around
the Grand Central area and there is much oppision about these projects. Beware
because DeBlasio, Quinn, and the new comptroller of the city of new york were
all responsible for allowing this to happen repeatedly in Manhattan. I guess
we can throw in Schumer with that crowd. Let’s not forget the hospitals that
were given up to the real estate industry. [All sold out to real estate mogul's]
Then the domino effect of hospitals took place for o so many years and all of
these cronies young and old were responsible. When will then even attempt
to put a shovel in the ground to start building low rent housing?

This DeBlaso is not prepared by a long shot to run this city. He is already
hemming and hawing about every subject asked of him by reporters. It’s
the same thing over and over again.

[A SALUTE AND PRAYERS TO ALL OF OUR SERVICE STILL SERVING OVERSEAS
AND A PRAYER TO BOTH THE LIVING AND DEAD] [ GOD BLESS THEM ALL]

Maxxiee
Morris Park



…and the other problem with “Stop, Question and Frisk” is that they’re going after the wrong people. The Bryant Park shooter seems to have been a prime candidate for that kind of action, but the police waste their time terrorizing kids with a couple of grams of weed at most.

Jayne
East Harlem



People are getting crazy, how can someone shoot someone over a coat that's senseless a inocent teen is paralyzed because of it hes only 14 he have his whole life ahead of him. If Diblasio do keep stop question and frisk he have to make sure the cops aren't only stopping minority people. It's hard to believe where the shootings took plsce because i thought Bloomberg made Times Square safer.

Herman
Upper West Side



We.need.stronger.gun.laws.in.new.york.

Epadilla
Far Rockaway



Keep Ray Kelly on the job and continue "Stop & Frisk." This city is NOT safe.

Frances
East Village



The schools should teach children the value of life, how to control their anger and how to develop self worth instead of how to pass city and state exams. The schools should preach every human being has worth and no one is a failure or looser.

Allan
Midwood



The issue is that the Nypd patrol officers deal with all types of issues from persons with serious mental health issues. To domestic violence, crime to helping mediation of disputes. The Nypd should be praised for all it's hard work. The reality who is policing their children and teaching them the value of human life. Stop abusing the Nypd and it's hard working officers.

Mike
Bayside



Why on !!earth!! is putting cameras everywhere in NYC a bad idea? Between Avonte Oquendo and countless crimes, it would tell people they WILL get caught and keep them on their best behavior. Crime wouldn't disappear but I think it would help.

Barry



HIRE MORE COPS AND REDEPLOY SOME OF THE OFFICERS PATROLLING TIME SQUARE. THERE IS A ARMY POLICE OFFICERS ASSIGN THERE.

PEDRO
BRONX



The most insidious thing about the recent shooting in Bryant Park, is the fact that people are so shocked. In a city where so many people are out of work, resources for inner city youth are virtually non existent, and a mayor who created this era of stop and frisk-contending his out of touch rationale. There are too many policies in place to band-aid the symptoms and not fix the causes.

Michael
Woodside



Overall I feel plenty safe in NY, but that isn’t to say that reforms aren’t needed.

The more recent shootings over these past years were not the sorts of incidents that would be prevented by policing. No matter how much we police the city, we won’t stop all shootings. I think we should all be happy that people aren’t being shot in street muggings very often anymore.

Mike
Carroll Gardens



Im a ret. LT NYPD. THIS IS ONLY THE START. EXPECT MORE VIOLENT CRIME ONCE DEBLASIO TAKES FULL CONTROL. WELCOME BACK TO THE 70s.

STAN
OZONE PARK



If you dress like a thug and act like a thug. Don't be surprised when you're treated like a thug.

Larz



if police worked with the people and gained trust there would be more community help in cleaning streets.. I think there's a general feeling of fear against the police. also if parents were held responsible for their children's actions I believe they would be involved in disciplining their children and not expecting the DOE to do it.

Erik
Bushwick



The current Commissioner for the New York City Department of Correction should be the first to go, and there are many Correction Officers; Captains; and Deputy Wardens that would very much like to see former Deputy Warden Eric H. Deravin take that office. Aside from the fact that he was a top quality supervisor in the most violent jails on Rikers Island throughout the 80s & 90s, he is also a retired Lt. Colonel in the US Army, who is a decorated combat veteran, who did tours in Iraq & Afghanistan, and most agree that he has the leadership skills needed to restore the care; custody; and control, the department of correction has so far heavily lost under these last two commissioners.

C.M.



Wait a minute ! We all know that any crime heinous as it may be is a fact of life in the big city. There will always be crime as long as there are conditions that foment this type of behavior, and the neglect of the mentally ill.

Instead, many want to continue a practice that is considered constitutionally and morally wrong, to feel safe. Do these people actually believe that there will be no crime at all? It is Unfortunate, yet it is Realistic.

K
Harlem



Both the nypd politicians and parents are to blame. Raymond Kelly should be kept on the job. However I think that De Blasio should put a program on the high school level for those who truly want to become police officers. Or have the police training be more extensive.



What we are experiencing is a system wide desensitization of our citizens. This is leading to the devaluation of human life, things such as video games, violence in movies, messages on Tshirts, etc all lead to deconstructing the values that our society holds dear. There are not enough officers of the law that can police this, only laws can.

Rosario
Tribeca



Stop question frisk is a good tool until it became part of comstat for nypd. Cops are pressured to do this tactic for a number. Parents should have more time with there children rather that the system should take of them.



Both gun crimes involve illegal guns and rage. Bryant Park was public and random. East Williamsburg was private and specific; less scary for people.

Michael



SINCE THE HANDS OF PARENTS HAS BEEN TIED, THE ROD HAS BEEN SPARED. THE LEGISLATORS TIED THE HANDS OF PARENTS WHO ARE DOING THEIR VERY BEST TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN. WHEN A PARENT HAS CHILDREN IN THE HOME, AND ONE CHOOSES TO BE DEFIANT TO THE RULES OF THE HOME, THE PARENT CANNOT DO BUT SO MUCH IN FEAR OF THEIR HOME BEING RAZED AND THEIR OTHER CHILDREN BEING TAKEN BY THE STATE. BLAME THE LEGISLATORS FOR THE PARENTAL LOSE OF CONTROL OF THOSE CHILDREN WHO NEED MORE HANDS ON RAISING.

JEFF
HARLEM



with the proliferation of gangs, guns and crews crime has only one direction to go...up. Police Officers are hesitant to act after being publicly bashed in this last political season.

Deblasio will not have to worry about crime....he already has a huge security detaill.

Let's not forget about the rape in Little Italy last night.

Kate
Midtown East


Technology, in the form of video surveillance, is playing a major role in reducing crime. Less cops. More cameras. Reduced crime.

Michael
Greenpoint



This society has many different problems on different levels.

School staff is not allowed to mention medicine for behavior nor psychiatric care. Unfortunately for some kids this is as close to seeing a clinician as its going to be.

As for this shooting, why are we but asking where where the budget cuts? No program, job training for these teens?

And these fashion designers that target this population, $600 coats for low income teens. Really!

It sounds like this dysfunction makes the system work. Unfortunately not in favor Of minority kids.

Barbara
Flushing



Unfortunatelly, Di Blasio is not ready for NYC. I feel sorry for N.Y., Ray Kelly cannot leave, I have seen the way people treat the Police no respect let's stop blaming the Police there are bad people out there specially inside the train station. You are going to miss Bloomberg. I am afraid of what's going to happen to NYC.

Christina



The majority of Black and Hispanic youth have no respect period. Their demeanor and their swagger reeks with "screw you cop" and "screw you you white MF"

I've been approached by these little rat packs.

Those who want to stop stop and frisk don't leave in the neighborhoods where stuff happens.

Frank
Manhattan



Stop question and frisk is a necessary tool that has been ruled constitutional over 30 years ago by the US Supreme Court the highest most powerful section of govt in The US. To think bill deblaiso and the city counsel are powerful enough to over rule that is Ridiculous. This is not a communist state. The problem is these people that get arrested with guns they get a slap on the wrist. And the reason minorities get stopped most is because 99% percent of shootings in nyc involve people of color and are in mostly minority neighborhoods. Let's face it there aren't many street shootings in bayridge but over 100 a year in bed-stuy

Mike
Flatbush



The heinous crimes we increasingly. see on a daily basis are a direct result of the warehousing education and incarceration policies implemented in prior administrations. When NYC abandoned its commitment to equal access to quality education for all public school students. and access to free and then low cost college education for its. Public school graduates, it shut the door to advancement. Absent opportunity, there's no hope. If the youth, whatever race or ethnicity, don't envision a future, there's no motivation to invest in the future.

Education creates stable communities, lower crime, advancement opportunities, businesses, local jobs and significant tax revenue.

Rob
TriBeCa



Clearly we cannot extrapolate from the recent two events that Stop and Frisk does not work. Nothing has a 100% success rate. Should we stop wearing seat belts because fatalities still occur from car accidents? Crime has been reduced greatly, but incidents will still occur in absence of much stricter gun laws. Until such time as these laws and other measures are in place, Stop and Frisk has proved one very effective tool in reducing crime, and we cannot afford to eliminate it. We can and should continually improve upon it and work on social aspects of city improvement, while understanding that every stop may not be productive. It may not be a perfect solution, but it protects our children, and we do not have sufficient alternative means at this time.

Alison
Upper West Side

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