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The Call Blog: City Appeals Stop & Frisk Ruling; Bloomberg Calls For Fingerprinting At Public Housing

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Anything to reduce crime is worth a try, but I think this may be going one step too far. There are just so many other ways to keep residents safe that the City can focus on first -- including security cameras, maintenance, guards -- that this seems like an overreaction.



The City filed a notice of appeal in court today, the first step toward a legal challenge to overturn a recent ruling against the NYPD's Stop, Question and Frisk policy. A federal judge ruled police are racially profiling New Yorkers during street stops, and she appointed a monitor to make changes to the practice.

On his weekly radio show, Mayor Bloomberg said "it would be a disaster for the City" if judges had control over policing issues. Bloomberg also pushed the idea of fingerprinting those who enter public housing as a way to keep crime down. Several of the Democratic mayoral candidates quickly blasted the proposal, saying it would treat residents as criminals. NYCHA is already in the process of putting in place an electronic keycard system at some developments. What do you say?

Do you welcome an appeal to the judge's ruling on Stop, Question and Frisk? Should anyone entering public housing be fingerprinted? Would biometric security be an effective crime-fighting deterrent or would it make New Yorkers feel like prisoners in their own homes?

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I could not agree with the Mayor more. It seems that the City Council and the Judge do not have the best interests of the public in mind.

Roscoe
Park Hill



The purpose of our Judicial system is to provide checks and balance to the other branches of government. Glad Bloomberg will be gone soon.

Rich
Midtown East



I hope the city fails in attempts to overturn the judge's orders, which is meant to fix the abuses of stop and frisk, similarly finger printing poor people for living in housing projects like stop and frisk could lead to abuses and make minority and police relations worse.

Felix
Bay Ridge



The biggest disaster that ever hit NYC is Bloomberg. The stop, question and frisk ruling should be upheld. No one should be required to show an ID to enter their own home. What kind of an idiot came up with that idea?

Joe
Port Richmond



A class action ruling this pervasive, whether good or bad, should be reviewed at the Circuit level no matter what. If it is upheld, then it will be the law throughout the 2nd Circuit and will give leverage to challenges to stop & frisk programs elsewhere in the country. If it is struck down in whole or in part, the case, and the NYPD's procedures, can be tweaked in anticipation of any further litigation or appellate review.

The major risk in an appeal is that, if the case gets to the U.S. Supreme Court, any ruling, pro or con, could substantially impact, not only stop & frisk programs throughout the country, but other Fourth Amendment issues, including those involved in counterterrorism, as well as other public policy issues disproportionately impacting ethnic minorities. But the Mayor's and the NYPD's arguments that the program is necessary and that it is working have no validity if the program's policies and procedures are unconstitutional.

As for the Mayor's fingerprinting proposals, new tenants in public housing already undergo background checks, and residents convicted of criminal activity on NYCHA property can be evicted. But fingerprinting visitors, guests, household help, and others entering NYCHA buildings would be too unweildy, probably unconstitutional, and, because locks can be or become broken, of no real security benefit. Better video surveillance, biometric face recognition, remote or concealeed metal detectors, and live security guards or housing police will afford better security by deterring criminals, detecting criminal activity, and identifying suspects.

ANDY
Manhattan Beach



Whether one agrees with the stop and frisk or fingerprint ID’s is not the question.
What happens is this mayor is so out of touch with us on purpose. If he doesn’t
get his way he will retaliate profusely with all the vengeance he can spew on us
little people. It’s as though someone would be stepping on us as though we were
ants.
THERE IS NEVER ANY DISCUSSION WITH ANY OF US = WHENEVER HE HAS SOMETHING
TO SAY IT’S ALREADY BEEN VALIDATED BY THIS MAYOR AND HE ALSO HAS ANOTHER
WAY OF DOING IT AND THAT IS HE SENDS OUT HIS PIT BULLS TO ATTACK ANYONE
THAT DOESN’T SEE THINGS HIS WAY =
ABOVE ALL WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH DEBT WE ARE IN AND HOW MUCH
UNNECESSARY SPENDING HE DOES WITH OUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS.
BLOOMBERG IS ALSO GOING ON THE RADIO TO UPSET THE CANDIDATES WITH
PROPOSALS AS THOUGH HE WERE RUNNING A CAMPAIGN=HE JUST KEEPS
DISRUPTING THEM=THEY HAVE NO RECOURSE OTHER THAN TO RESPOND AND
ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THAT HE CLAIMS NEW YORK CITY WILL END UP LIKE DETROIT=AND IF SO
HE PUT US THERE=I CAN’T WAIT TO HEAR JUST WHAT A MESS HE HAS LEFT US.

I surely hope he just doesn’t show up the last day and we will be rid of him once
and for all.

Maxxiee
Morris Park



Finger printing is an insult. These buildings need full time security either at the entrance of each building or at least patroling these buildings 24/7. There are many good people living in city housing. But there are also many bad apples there and the good people turn a blind eye. At this very minute there is someone up to no good in many buildings and no one is saying a word.

A.J
East Village



It's unnecessary, and a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Luke
Grant City



My god, why not just tattoo their wrists with an ID number?

I think our good dear mayor needs a psychological examination. He's slipping into megalomania.

Jordan
Flushing



Let the residents of NYCHA decide whether or not they want this procedure of fingerprinting in public housing. The mayor is always imposing his agenda on the people of NYC. In this case I think the residents should be able to vote on it.

Nia
M.H.



Of course The Police need a Probable Cause to Stop and Frisk.

It sounds to me like The Police are justifying their Stop and Frisk reasoning that is not based on Justifiable Reasoning, only when they decide based on Racial Profiling when to Stop and Frisk, which is Unconstitutional.

The State is becoming more and more Orrwellian,

Steve
Malone, N.Y.



The idea would not work. The doors will be broken as they are now.

Niasia
Harlem



I agree with the finger printing because crime is too high in public housing.

David
East New York



I am done for. A new form of Stop "no question " and Frisk.
F-NQF=Fingerprint No Question and Frisk.

Kathy
Throggs Neck



In my opinion I think the Mayor is out of his mind, instead of using finger prints why not install working cameras on every building or he can also invest on security guards. I live in NYCHA development, and I have family members that also lives in NYCHA development, do I have to get finger printed too? What's other crazy idea will the Mayor have now.

Mildreth



Has the mayor lost his mind? Fingerprinting people who live in public housing? The last time I've checked, they are human too, not criminals. What about their rights?

Mike
Morningside Heights



I am a former NYChA police officer...Iris Recognition would also be a great tool. People who live in Housing Developments are law abiding citizens who live in fear of the criminals who live among them.

Tenant Associations welcome help from the NYPD.

What are the candidates are going to allow Police Officers to do?

Kate
Midtown East



The idea of public housing is allowing peoples rights to be infringed because its not private property.

FAVE



if you take blooberg's suggestion to finger print everyone who enters public housing , add his radio comment that cops frisk whites too often and blacks not enough, and mix that with his absolute refusal to recognize any problem at all with stop and frisk, you get a clear picture of this racist, elitist, megalomaniac with a total inability to recognize those who are not like him as actual, real human beings. we have suffered too long with this mentally challenged man as mayor, 12 long years of him. That's why I hate Chris Quinn. She's just as responsible for this.

meryl
manhattan



I'm all for it! Any type of security and better than NO security. People need to feel safe and I support this move, of you have nothing to hide why mind.

However, before the mayor and NYCHa spends money on this NYCHA should first spend money on fixing the developments first.

Angelica



Bloomberg's idea of fingerprinting at public housing isn't the solution to the problem, as a way of keeping crime down! The solution to keeping crime down at public housing is to evict problem tenants and their families. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know who the problem tenants are! Not even security cameras, keep problem tenants and others who don't live in public housing, out! At Borinquen Plaza, where I live at, those who aren't tenants and their friends, gain entry entry by kicking the back door and disengaging the locking mechanism and there are cameras installed in the back of the building!

Cecilia
East Williamsburg



Unbelievable to suggest such a thing as though we are animals. Why isn't nycha having the police patrol the grounds more since nycha is paying the nyc police dept. To protect the residents, the only city devel. That has to pay
The police dept.

Dee
Harlem



I do not believe in the mayor's proposal of fingerprinting or showing I.d to enter the public housing system. it would not decrease crime in those areas at all and it is immoral because it would feel like an internment camp. It would further trap afro-american people to be confined to a place where most of them do not want to be. Also the police commit just as much crime as the tenants in nycha do. It is just not documented.



I don't believe for one bit that the mayor is serious about this. This is a ploy between him and Christine Quinn to make Christine Quinn look good. Bloomberg proposes this idea, and Christine Quinn opposes to make herself look like she is independent of Bloomberg, since she is trailing in the polls.

Stop getting worked up about this. This all a ploy, and you are all getting played.

Flora
Washington Heights



Who would do the fingerprinting? The tenants need to stop opening or holding the door for people without a key!!

Crystal
Red Hook West



I live in Forest Hills Coop, NYCHA, FINGER PRINT US? What's Next? What are my Civil Rights as a Person? I think this is one of the worst things that Mayor Bloomberg has thought of yet! I have been living here for the last 37 years, We not only have to do Community Service, as if we were on Probation and now he wants to FINGER PRINT US?

We ARE HUMANS, Not PRISIONERS!!

We work just as hard as any one else who live in Private Homes and Buildings, I am tired of being treated like a Lower Class Person!



Honesty I think what the mayor said is a good thing because it would help out on the drug transaction. It will help out with most of the problems they have in the buildings

John
Red Hook



I agree with one of the callers about political posturing by Bloomberg & Quin A simple solution will be to have visitors sign in with security manned desk. Tenants can be evicted if they encourage criminal behavior.

Victor
Harlem



Just like Koch Bloomberg's 3rd term is a bust. This is another layer of .institutionalize minorities.

If NYCHA was to cross reference other city, state federal agencies half of the criminal element would not exists. We have Rhea the NYCHA version of Kathy Black. A major that should just stay dormant until Dec 31. Its funny how people that never lived in NYCHA have all these bright ideas.

Monica



Bloomberg is an idiot. When it comes to housing the next mayor will be wise to start from the bottom and work his way up and maintain the middle class as is. The middle class is now the New Working Poor. The so-call affordable rent is not affordable if anyone notice.

Robert
Brooklyn

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