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Shows like this on are always tough for me. As a journalist, I strive o provide viewers with as many facts and sides to the story as possible, but we will never really know the truth about that night. As a human being, I hurts to hear viewers say a 16-year-old deserved to be shot. I also dislike speculation. Unfortunately, all many people can do is speculate and draw their own conclusions. At the end of the day, a life was lost, and it didn't need to be taken.
Candlelight vigils in East Flatbush have turned violent the last few nights, following the shooting death of 16-year-old Kimani Gray. Two plainclothes officers shot and killed Gray Saturday night, after police say he pulled a gun on the officers. Today, the teen’s mother spoke out, saying her son was slaughtered and she wants to know why. Carol Gray told reporters her son was killed in front of his best friend’s house after a birthday party. She also said she doesn’t believe her son pointed a gun at police. Mayor Bloomberg is promising a thorough investigation, but says “all indications are” the teen had a gun, which the Mayor says was originally purchased in Florida.
Last night, officers in riot gear arrested 46 people during a vigil-turned-protest. Monday night, a group broke away from a vigil and stormed a produce stand, and then ransacked a Rite Aid and attacked a customer. These clashes with police come as members of the community say Gray’s death highlights a larger problem of police brutality.
One police practice that has come under fire recently is Stop, Question and Frisk. Critics are taking the City to court over the policy, and the case begins Monday. The federal class-action lawsuit alleges “stop-and-frisks” discriminate against New Yorkers based on their race. Mayor Bloomberg has long defended the practice, saying it saves lives. What do you say?
What do you hope comes from the class-action lawsuit? Do you support Stop, Question and Frisk as a police tactic? What’s your reaction to the shooting death of Kimani Gray? What do you make of the melees that have followed Gray’s death?
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So far the opponents of Stop, Question and Frisk have not offered any serious alternative to pro-active policing, which is the key to keeping the crime rate down -- until they do, their objections are meaningless, pointless, and, yes, dangerous to the city.
Upper West Side
Stop and frisk is a warrantless search, a violation of the 4th Amendment. Re the riots, there's nothing like destroying your neighborhood to improve your life!
Port Richmond, SI
Cops using a fuselage of bullets gun down a young Afro-American male whom they claim was pointing a gun at them, the question becomes is over-policing and suspicions of criminality in minority neighborhoods involved?, and based on this and other similar incidents, the answer is sadly yes.
Felix Bay Ridge
The teenager pulled a gun. He was carrying an unlicensed gun, he pointed it at the police, he was a known gang member, he had a rap sheet as long as his age, and people are wondering why he is dead. Simple, He fooled around with the wrong people.
The next time get your heads together and go to your neighborhood police department and ask for permission to hold your peaceful vigil and ask if it need be in writing. I know our opinions are just that but at least you will be covered and if they know before time it more than likely will not get out of hand.
Otherwise it becomes a he said she said.
It got so out of hand that no matter what anyone will say of how it happened more than likely no one will be listening.
Who is the one that had possession of this weapon that the mayor seems to be claiming that it was purchased in Florida.
That seems to me as though it is a slam dunk on this mayors part.
This mayor needs to wait for the facts before he makes a rush to judgment.
Was it worth it to try to prove a point to have it end up turning into a riot with so many people being arrested. I don’t think so.
There was an incident during a party in the Bronx and I specifically remember Ray Kelly mentioning that if you are going to have a party let us know and we will keep a watch on it.
He did say it=It was I believe either last summer or the summer before.
I SUPPOSE STOP, QUESTION AND FRISK WORKED IN THIS CASE. THE RESULT WAS A GUN WAS TAKEN OFF THE STREET AND THANKFULLY 2 POLICE OFFICERS ARE ALIVE.
REMEMBER PATROLMAN FIGOSKI, DETECTIVES NEMORIN AND ANDREWS IN YOUR PRAYERS THIS EVENING AS WELL AS THE OTHER FINEST WHO PROTECT AND SERVE.
JOE, BAY TERRACE
NYC police have a long standing history of killing African American youths. I do not support the practice & hope the lawsuit is successful. Statistical data corroborates that the practice is racist. If/when other young men from non minority communities are stopped, questioned & frisk disproportionately, then I will support the practice 100%.
Even if Kimani Gray had a gun, I bet that he didn't point it at anyone. all cops need is to hear the word gun, they don't need to see one, they just start shooting a la amadou diallo, Ramarley Graham, and Sean Bell.
whatever happened to "put your hands up or I'll shoot"? in nyc, cops shoot and ask questions later. all they need to justify shooting someone is that he was allegedly "acting suspiciously", or more to the point acting suspiciously while being black. are any white kids being shot by the cops?
This shooting was racist, and so is "stop and frisk".
Meryl from manhattan
I still haven't seen or heard anyone ask.... "why was this boy armed and dangerous?...
I live on 38th and Lenox in Brooklyn. My neighborhood is flooded with Police officers. I understand cops do put their life's in danger and if they do see a weapon they will shoot to kill but why does a 16 years has a gun in the first place. I strongly believe police office should undergo re-training on how to handle people who posses weapons. Instead of shooting to kill, another approach should be taken. They are protesting and causing havoc and vandalizing for the wrong reason, violence doesn't solve violence.
Did anyone notice that in the picture of kimani gray you just showed he was wearing beads with gang colors on them he is probably a gang member. The police got it right.
Steve middle village
Anyone pointing a gun at protectors of society is just asking for a death sentence.
The outrage in Brooklyn is misguided and the community at large needs to look into the real underlying reason why this is happening.
Its sad that this young man was kill, however he had a gun are people forgetting that.
Jeff from Brooklyn
When will people recognize that being involved with guns has consequences? Such as, one can be shot by police.
As to Jewel from East Flatbush- 16-21 year olds are not children, but young men and women. To say they don't know how to control their rage infantizes them. As a black male, I am tired of people in black communities expecting law enforcement to be social workers. Use common sense.
I find cops disgusting. Cops are allowed to kill someone and get away with it but when someone kills a cop it's a big deal. Everyone should be treated equally cops abuse their power. This isn't fair at all. This happens way to much.
The NYPD has horrible relations with communities of color (including mine) and they certainly won't improve after this shooting incident. Although I am trying to reserve judgement until I know more facts about the situation, it is wrong for the police to shoot to kill a kid for any reason. If a person has a gun, aren't the police supposed to shoot to disable the person so that s/he cannot use the gun? What really worries and scares me is that this will be one of many shootings to come. As a teacher, I see students commit violent acts and just general acts of disrespect at school and there are no consequences for their behavior. The school officials are afraid to discipline them and their parents make excuses for them. The students have no idea what the police have waiting for them! I am not associating these behaviors with the victim, but I am worried about our kids' futures. The police are killing them instead of helping them.
You point a gu n at a police officer you will get lit up. The fact that demonstrators in certain communities feel the need to destroy their own neighborhoods speaks for itself.
KIMANI GRAY HAD NO RIGHT TO BE TREATED LIKE THAT, HE BEGGED FOR HIS LIFE THE THE COP STILL SHOT HIM ON THE FLOOR. SHAKING MY HEAD !
How does a 16 year old get a gun? If Kimani Gray did not have a gun he would not be dead. Gun traffickers -- including the ones on the streets of Brooklyn -- are responsible for this death.
The people of the community should direct their outrage toward the illegal gun dealers and teach their kids to stay away from guns.
Guns = Death!
Someone that is carry an illegal gun and is pointing it at another human being is not doing it because he is playing around. He did it with the intention of committing bodily harm against a Police Officer. What should they have done ? Allowed themselves to be killed so as not to offend the community?
your baby was shot because he pointed a gun at a cop. your baby was 16 years old, a member of the bloods and thought that acting like a gansta was a cool. you held a press conference with your lawyer and charles barron, blamed the nypd and said you don't know if he had a gun. you said he wasn't a bad kid. he was your baby, it was your job to show him the way. you want the officers pulled off the streets so this doesn't happen again? i'd like parents to take better care of their babies.
Jill in Kew Gardens, NY
When are we as a people going to be real and stop blaming people for what we do wrong number one know body is going to say there kids was wrong. he is out there that time of night hanging out with a gun trying to be down we all know how these kids are now days there moms and dads don't know where there kids are so keep it real and if he was doing right he would be here
Ervin from Queens
Its very sad that this young man died and its very sad that his supporters in the streets refuse to accept that he did anything wrong. Cops don't go around itching to kill kids for no reason.
Dan from Rego Park
NYPD has a history of shooting unarmed citizens. The Mayor of NY will do nothing except justify the shooting of unarmed citizens. The latest young man was shot in the back . Recently a grand jury refused to indict the officer who shot Noel Polanco who was unarmed. Ramarley Graham was shot in his home and was unarmed.This summer police wounded 7 by standers in mid town
The US attorney needs to help create a national law which makes police subject to the same laws that we are all subject to. How can the Mayor advocate gun control when the police are exempt.
Saint Albans, Queens
As far as the young man having a gun we wasn't there and we will never know the true facts however if he did have a weapon when do the police learn how to defend themselves without having to slaughter, murder, kill an individual. There was nothing wrong if they had to fire their weapons they could've fired there weapons in a manner where they could have either hit him in the leg or the arm somewhere where they did not have to take his life now my biggest thing is the young man can no longer defend itself he's dead and we will never know the account of what happened as it stands we only hear one side of a story
Calvin from Harlem
Why are "white people" the only ones buying guns in the millions!?
Steven Of Jamaica
Are we to assume that because the police said he had a gun, that he actually had one? Was it found near the boys body, or was it on his person?
Are we all to think that because the NYPD states" justifiable" that it is just that, real nyers know the rap sheet of these police,ie. Central Park Five?
THE MAYOR SAYS VIOLENCE IS NOT THE WAY BUT THE POLICE START THE VIOLENCE WHEN THEY GUN DOWN
YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE DOGS IN THE STREETS LIKE THEY ARE IN THE WILD WILD WEST. AND ANOTHER THING
THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT SCREAMING ABOUT IS WHERE ARE THE CAMERAS IN ALL OF THIS. THERE ARE CAMERAS
EVERYWHERE WHEN WE WANT TO CATCH A PERP. WHERE WERE THE CAMERAS IN THIS KILLING????????????
The kids family/friends are saying that they want justice. But he had a gun why would they want justice if there son was carrying a loaded gun and pulled it on police officers . In my opinion there is no justice here you son had a loaded gun and pulled it on officers and paid for it with his life. If he was really holding it a friend he should told the cops he had a gun and not have pulled it...
You wanna end gun violence end poverty. And what happen to cops giving a warning shot to wound the suspect?
This is awful to see happening in any location of the United States.I just think teenagers should be given items which they seek much like the homeless and poor go to a food pantry-------what i am saying is teens should have a place to go where they can get the things they need ---like sneakers, chips, soda, etc. Why?They wouldn't have too much pressure to feeling neglected. They wont have to ask their parents for money[[[if they don't have it]].They wouldn't turn to crime like holding a gun [[[probably attached to fear of a bully]]]. From now on the police should make a new rule-----if they think a kid has a gun act like they don't see it and try to apprehend the teen when he cant reach for it.I guess people feel like they have power over another and thats probably what the teen believed he had .A LEARNED BELIEF
My heart goes out to the family of the teenager that was shot. I will be praying for the family to heal. Mayor Bloomberg is at fault. He an evil man and that is our leader an evil man.
There is a novela (spanish soap on a Hispanic station called La Patrona, The chief the big leader of a very corrupt town in Mexico and she commits all kinds of evil and crimes and she feels she can and because she is very rich she is entitled. She also has everyone under bought. Bloomberg and this villain would make a great couple.
Franchesca in Brooklyn
It was Under Mayor Giuliani that an assault weapons ban was imposed on the residents of New York City. Can anyone explain to me how this is constitutional.
Do you can't believe everything that is written and printed in the newspaper or in books?
With the history of police misconduct, why is there no one questioning the police report that this child, indeed, did have a gun. Almost everyone has heard of police carrying "throw away" guns which are planted on the dead bodies of suspects.
There was a murder of a young Black man who ran home to hide in his bathroom and was murdered by the police.
He had no gun.There was another recent murder of a young Hispanic man in his car with passengers and police were not held accountable. He had no gun.
So, this time they got it right. The police had an extra gun.
I believe this teenager tried to run away, was shot in the back and then shot again as he was dying, to make sure he was dead.
He had no gun. They planted it on his dead body.
Mr. Pilon from the Cato Institute employed the favorite distractions of those opposed to reasonable gun control. They claim gun control doesn't work so we shouldn't try to improve it. They cite the silly hammers and knives statistic notwithstanding the fact that no citizen needs an assault weapon or a high-capacity clip. Reasonable gun control measures are perfectly constitutional, as even conservative hero Justice Scalia has acknowledged. Over 98% of Americans live within 10 miles of a federally licensed firearms dealer, so requiring universal background checks would not constitute a hardship. We need universal background checks and we need better enforcement of existing laws.
I myself have been harassed by the police as a teenager. I was a 16 year old teenage girl
and Hispanic. I was not hanging with a crowd, never smoked or took drugs. I am a retired teacher and never forgot the harassment. To this day I do not trust the police.
However two wrongs do not make a right, the rioting is senseless and only doing damage to the community and hurting innocent people.
lower east side
if the police believe a child has a gun they should get a warrant and wait inside the parents home with the parents for when he or she comes home-----also i am watching the video you keep displaying with all the kids robbing the deli-----kids are kids -----they like candy ,soda,etc------find a way to give them supplies if they are flat broke-----kids are victims ---they have to pay for candy and chips--it could be something this simple-----if i was a cop i would buy a big box of candy to give them when i approach them---this kid must have been afraid of the police ---teach kids never to run from police
The NYPD have been using the streets of New York as their personal shooting gallery for decades. The police need cameras mounted on their guns so people can see if a shooting is justified or a cover up.
The information the public is receiving from the media, may or may not be biased and therefore, I cannot give a subjective opinion. But if this alleged 16 year old "gang member" with a lengthy criminal record pulls out a gun on police officers, where did they commit a crime? Why did this child have a gun? Why did this child have a lengthy criminal record? Why was this child in a gang? Are the parents accountable for their son's rebellion? Shouldn't the community be outraged at the failure at home to control their son? Kimani is a product of his environment...the community uprising should be over their failure to raise their own children.
I don't see a policeman deliberately pointing a gun on an innocent man, not the less to shoot. The youth should repent from doing anything evil & desist from proudly living or showing off with gun, just because they have access to one.
Such person should readily know that pointing a gun towards a policeman is like committing suicide.
What kind of justice will such person be seeking?
Citizens should change their ways.